Words and music copyright ©2000 by Blake Hodgetts
(Inspired
by Robert Forward's novels "Dragon's Egg" and "Starquake")
Imagine a world with no day or night
Imagine a world where it's warm
and bright
A world where you keep your feet on the ground
With 60 billion
g's always pulling you down
Imagine a world with no time to
think
Where a day goes by every time you blink
And the friends I made
there yesterday
Have long since gone and passed
away...
(chorus:)
Take
me back to Dragon's Egg
The pulsar home of the
cheela
Take me back -- I don't know
why
They couldn't wait for me to say
goodbye.
They came to us a wandering star
A vagabond, come from
afar,
And so we sent a ship to see
This pulsar in proximity
With
x-ray eyes our ship they spied,
A messenger from the Eyes of Bright,
And
minutes later we received
The message that took years to
write...
(chorus)
(bridge:)
We
gave their society a jump start
Taught them technology and fine art
Our
nucleonic friends were creeping round with spears;
The next day, they
launched starships crossing light-years.
They thought of us as
gigantic pets,
Repaired our faulty booster jets,
And kindly waved us on
our way --
they'd passed us up in just one day --
A sudden starquake
shook their land
Restructured our departure plans
Our sacrifice would
rescue them
Their fate was in our glacial hands
(chorus)
(the final
"goodbye" is sung very, very slowly...it should take at least sixteen measures
to complete.)
<Miles_V> sooooo who's online and awake for the review ?? :)
<AK3D> you review it, I'll look :p
<dpd> i am here
* Miles_V pokes pragmarel with a cattleprod
<MerrysPlace> I'm here too
<dpd> where is BaldScribe
<AK3D> away working
* Miles_V welcomes everyone :)
<AK3D> thank you kindly
<Miles_V> shall we get started?
<dpd> if BaldScribe is not joining us - we might as well
<MerrysPlace> sure.
<Miles_V> ok :)
<AK3D> yes
<Miles_V> Who read the book?
<MerrysPlace> me!
* Miles_V sez Moi!
<dpd> and me
<Miles_V> I want to ask you all a question ...
<Miles_V> Would you agree that this book was Hard Sci-Fi?
<MerrysPlace> easily
<dpd> yes surely it was
<Miles_V> and 2ndly did the science of it put you off the story or enhance it ?
<MerrysPlace> some of the science was hard to follow.
<dpd> enhanced it considerably
<MerrysPlace> but it didn't seem to get in the way of the story.
<Miles_V> When reading up on the author
<Miles_V> I discovered that he is a real top notch scientist
<Miles_V> very much into leading edge physics etc
<dpd> yes
<Miles_V> I have read many of his novels over the years and they all utilize far-fetched but probable technology
<Miles_V> he just seems to want this technology to become accesable by writting SF around it
<AK3D> you mean, make it true?
<dpd> the book and the author has been praised by Asimov and Clarke too
<Miles_V> AK3D - yes and no - some of the technology he talks about in his many novels he actually has patents on!
<AK3D> ah I see
<Miles_V> he has about 28 patents or so
<AK3D> hmm kinda like star trek then
<AK3D> some of those 'ideas' came to be
<Miles_V> have a look at this excerpt from his autobiography
<Miles_V> I am an aerospace engineer, with 134 publications to date.
<MerrysPlace> lol oops.
<MerrysPlace> wb MV
<Miles_V> oops - my flood protection was off :)
<Miles_V> lemme try that again :)
<Miles_V> I am an aerospace engineer, with 134 publications to date.
<Miles_V> I am a physicist, with 35 publications to date.
<Miles_V> I am an inventor, with 28 patents to date.
<Miles_V> I am a popular science writer, with 61 articles to date.
<Miles_V> I am a science fiction writer, with 11 novels and 21 short stories published to date.
<Miles_V> I have been a research department manager directing more than 50 scientists and engineers at one time.
<Miles_V> I pioneered the field of gravitational engineering, and invented the gravitational mass detector.
<Miles_V> I pioneered the fields of smart structures, of ultra-cold neutrons, of antimatter propulsion, of space tethers, of rocketless propulsion.
<Miles_V> I was the first to figure out a way to go to the stars using laser-pushed light sails.
<Miles_V> I was the first to invent a method for levitating spacecraft without its being in orbit.
<Miles_V> The space tethers, which I invented and pioneered, will revolutionize space travel within the solar system.
<Miles_V> grrrrrr
<Miles_V> could we strangle those bots?
<M|ami> first flood wasn't bots
<Miles_V> I know :)
* Miles_V welcomes M|ami
<M|ami> already msg'd to have them removed soon as possible
<Miles_V> M|ami - did you read the book?
<M|ami> go ahead w/ discussion
<dpd> those bots have been useful for a long time
* Miles_V nods - I'm just cranky :D
<Miles_V> anyway....
<Miles_V> What did you guys & gals think of the Cheela?
<MerrysPlace> sounds like he was a busy person.
<dpd> cheela was a very well conceived species
* BaldScribe sneaks into the rooms and takes a seat
<dpd> but too human in their thinking at times
<MerrysPlace> BaldScribe! welcome
<dpd> wb BaldScribe
<Miles_V> I rather enjoyed the developmet of the cheela species as RL Forwards described it
<Miles_V> Baldster!!!
<BaldScribe> thanks guys :)
<MerrysPlace> it took me some time to get the time difference right for the species, but it was interesting.
<Miles_V> I think he did a fine job conceiving a species that might live on such a neutron star
<dpd> but cheela becoming too human in their thinking was fun to read - almost sounded like a satire on humanity
<Miles_V> lol yes dpd - and their names as well :)
<MerrysPlace> and then becomeing smarter than humans near the end :)
<dpd> about the names - Dr Forward said, the mistake i made in naming them was the name ":North wind"
<BaldScribe> It really made you thing about neutrino based life vs a carbon based life ... i wonder what a crystaline base life would be like
<dpd> the name did not make sense as there were no wind on the egg
<dpd> crystalline bases life is discussed in Asimov's God Themselves
<Miles_V> dpd - I think there was in the sense that the Egg had an atmosphere (at least for the cheela)
<dpd> rather Gods Themselves
<dpd> Miles_V i did not notice it Forward himself said so in some interview
<BaldScribe> the whole gravity thing was fascinating
<BaldScribe> and the way they over came the handicap
<BaldScribe> but it made sense once you thought about it
<dpd> yes everything including their cannibalism made sense
<Miles_V> the think that I liked the most of this novel was the great appendix in which he described his novels 'science' in more detail
<BaldScribe> the parallel or rather the influence their reading of human history was a nice touch i thought
<dpd> yes a lot of things become clear there
<Miles_V> even the infulence of gravity + magnetism was fascinating
<BaldScribe> hehe i understood much more after viewing the appendix
<Miles_V> the 'hard direction' :D
<dpd> made a lot of sense that - hard direction
<Miles_V> I wonder what live would be like with 12 eyes :)
<Miles_V> and a 2D world :)
<BaldScribe> LoL
<AK3D> like a spider....
<AK3D> with 4 more eyes...
<BaldScribe> yea ... flate and flater
* AK3D has an idea, but keeps it to himself....
<AK3D> re, wb BaldScribe
* Miles_V drops AK3D from 10mm off a neutron star
<BaldScribe> thanks AK3D
* Miles_V apprecietes the artistic splat of the late AK :D
<BaldScribe> oh no! ...... "Splat"
<AK3D> hmm this seems to be a very interesting book.. I'll read it
<Miles_V> ;)
<AK3D> you're so heavy, W, that you dropped clear outta the star to the other side
<AK3D> :p
<Miles_V> you mean the star would orbit around me :)
<BaldScribe> after i got into the book ... watching the developement of the cheela was very fascinating
<dpd> cheelas were heavy too
<BaldScribe> yes very small but dense
<Miles_V> immagine the time difference - seeing a whole civilization develop in a day
<AK3D> ok.. DCC it to me someone.. gotta start reading it RIGHT now
<BaldScribe> the density giving the more complexity to the organisim
<Miles_V> I recently saw a Star Trek Voyager episode in which such a time differential was played out - VERY similar to this book
<BaldScribe> i liked the way the could form new tools just by thinking about them
<BaldScribe> grow tools i should say
<Miles_V> :) I wonder who 'borrowed' the idea :D
<dpd> the book was written quite a few years back
<AK3D> DCC!
<Miles_V> ABC!
<AK3D> btw, if they can 'think' up tools, why can't they extend lives?
<MerrysPlace> I don't think it occured to them.
<dpd> AK3D two of them did extend their lives
<AK3D> ROFL!!!
<Miles_V> lol - AK they did eventually :)
<AK3D> I'm getting files from 3 people now....
<AK3D> thank you all, kindly :)
<BaldScribe> you get it AK3D?
<AK3D> heh heh
<BaldScribe> yea i forgot about them turning into plants
<Miles_V> no give AK3D more time - he's slow
<BaldScribe> what a wonderful way to take a nap
<AK3D> heh, cancelled two.. sorry merris and BaldScribe :)
<MerrysPlace> np
<AK3D> hmm...
<Miles_V> :Þ
<Miles_V> at least the humans got a great return on their investment !
<BaldScribe> I wonder if there is an example of that in real life
<AK3D> hmm... turning into plants.. but then, what can they do after that?
<MerrysPlace> they came back as cheela eventually
<BaldScribe> a hibernation that changes a creature molecularly
<AK3D> oh
<dpd> in many sci-fi books humans are shown to be xenophobic
<AK3D> I'll be reading this as soon as I finish this 'torturer' one
<BaldScribe> well ... i change into a grump every morning then back to a human being ... wonder if that counts
<Miles_V> I rather injoyed the chapters in which the cheela climbed the mountain to send the 1st message
<dpd> but in this book the human viewpoint is correct and non-xenophobic
<AK3D> SPOILERS!!!
* MerrysPlace whispers to AK3D: close your eyes!
<AK3D> grin, that's what I'm doing :)
<MerrysPlace> lol
<Miles_V> all 12 of em?
<BaldScribe> it makes sense though that we would see that phase of xenophobia in their developement
<dpd> yes a long description of that but not at all boring to read
<Miles_V> see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil, see no evil,
<AK3D> keep one eye open for .... erm.. evil
<BaldScribe> I thought the scientists characters were a little flat though
* BaldScribe chuckles at the punny
<BaldScribe> but then i guess the book really wasn't about them
<dpd> yes but that is because they did not play a very important role in the story - the story was about cheelas
<Miles_V> some reviewers complained that RL Forward didn't develop the human's characters enough - but I feel that he did a fair job if you take the time differential into account vs. the novel length
<MerrysPlace> no was more about their effect on the cheela
<BaldScribe> need coffee ... brb
<Miles_V> good idea BaldScribe - make us all a round of coffee!
<dpd> the human reaction to finding existance of cheela was shown to be very positive
<dpd> Miles_V somehow i could not really understand how the cheelas managed to read the info sent down by humans
<MerrysPlace> the cheela's reaction to humans wasn't initially so good.
<BaldScribe> another nice touch was how they were fascinated by the tops of their bodies
<BaldScribe> MerrysPlace we were gods!
<BaldScribe> what more could you want?
<Miles_V> how so dpd? they hmans 1st sent a 'picture' and the cheelas used the same method
<MerrysPlace> um ... more coffee?
<dpd> did we convert all those data into pictures ?
<Miles_V> obviously the author didn't give too much detail on HOW they sorted out hte communications, it more or less just allowed to happen
<BaldScribe> sensory organs i believe
<MerrysPlace> makes me wonder if Forward didn't use the egyption pyramid idea for his religion with the cheela's
<dpd> yes but that is the only time i found the book being untrue to science
<BaldScribe> hmm
<Miles_V> one can assume that the cheela had more than enough time to decode the information since they lived so fast
<BaldScribe> yes seeing a pattern then changing it to a braille system
<BaldScribe> then walking on it :)
<dpd> yes that could make sense
<dpd> they did use their sensory appendages for reading and assimilating facts
<Miles_V> oh yes the 'knots'' in a string
<BaldScribe> the old native american and egyptian trick
* Miles_V watches as BaldScribe smears some coffee on his tread :)
* BaldScribe aw the wonderfull smell from under my tread
<Miles_V> Shudder!
<BaldScribe> the egyptian use to keep track of the stores with string as well
<dpd> i wonder why the sex as fun issue was brought out repeatedly
<BaldScribe> heh
<dpd> it was nice and fun to read about their sexual capers but did author have anythig else in his mind
<BaldScribe> dpd : because our society is so darn puritan he had it in there for shock value
<BaldScribe> (:Þ
<Miles_V> well .... 'cos even aliens has to have fun?
<dpd> BaldScribe that is as good an explanation as any
<BaldScribe> not every creature turns something so fun and natural into a religious phobia
<Miles_V> well the cheela were alwasy flowing around naked - what else would you have them do :D
<dpd> also their communal ideas reminded one of communism here
<BaldScribe> yes it did
<dpd> yes Miles_V that is a very valid point :)
<Miles_V> actually that is quite an intresting question - how has wearing clothes shaped human society / culture / arts / science etc?
<BaldScribe> i wonder though if we would really send the entirety of human history to an alien on first contact?
<dpd> the victorians did not allow tables and chairs to have naked legs
<BaldScribe> that damn fig leaf distroyed us Miles_V
<Miles_V> IF you think about it clothes probably started out as a 'defence' against the climate and for practical reasons etc
* Miles_V nods at BaldScribe - quite
<dpd> but eden always had good weather and fig leaf was not even an optional extra
<Miles_V> actually I would go so far as to say that if it was not for humans being 'naked' (or having nearly no fur) then we would probably not have developed intelligence! :D
<BaldScribe> makes sense Miles_V
<dpd> and the position of the thumb
<Miles_V> but which came 1st - the thumb or the fur-loss??
<BaldScribe> i would love to be able to compare notes with another sentient being not of earth
<BaldScribe> loss of fur is my guess
<dpd> i think the fur loss - most apes are not very furry
<BaldScribe> creates the need
<Miles_V> what other factors could promote the 'drive' to intelligence?
<BaldScribe> being eaten would be incentive
<Miles_V> RL Forward used scarecity of food and the worseing climate (due to the vulcano)
<BaldScribe> yes protecting food source
<dpd> being physically weaker than most perhaps
<Miles_V> lol - yes BS
<Miles_V> being able to communicate so that you can work as a team helps too
<BaldScribe> so anyone think there may really be a neutrino or crystaline based life form out there?
<Miles_V> thus many inferiour beings can overpower a larger one
<MerrysPlace> Baldy: certainly seems like a possiblity.
<BaldScribe> I'm laying my bets on carbon base
<dpd> one last question who were the barbarians?
<Miles_V> I for one know that we have not nearly enough knowledge to definitly say no - we are still struggling on the issue of life/water on Mars :D
<BaldScribe> taking down a mammoth would take team work
<Miles_V> dpd - they were cheela who remained near the vulcano
<BaldScribe> every culture has barbarians
<BaldScribe> look at my cousins
<Miles_V> dpd : cheela who only didn't move away form the vulcano as the 1st group did
<dpd> they seemed to be cheelas to me too
<Miles_V> 'alwasy follow the hard direction' :)
<BaldScribe> lol
<dpd> so there was no other life form on the egg ?
<MerrysPlace> there were the carnavores initally, and plants.
<BaldScribe> yes there was
<Miles_V> indeed there were many - The Flowslows / Slinks / Food plants etc
<BaldScribe> they would hunt the flowslows and slinks
<BaldScribe> for food
<Miles_V> the pods they ate came from plants
<dpd> oh yes - i forgot the hunts
<Miles_V> and another intresting thing was the authors use of cannibalism!
<Miles_V> Human society frowns upon cannibalism
<BaldScribe> but only as it developed
<Miles_V> yet the cheela used the dead as fod
<Miles_V> food
<BaldScribe> same with our sacrificial rights
<MerrysPlace> it also didn't seem to make them sick, like it does with human cannablism
<dpd> basically it was principle of food conservation
<Miles_V> cannibalism won't make you sick if you grew up eating other humans
<BaldScribe> there are still some who eat their ancestors in some form
<Miles_V> it would then be normal
<Miles_V> strictly speaking utilization of such resources is very efficient
<MerrysPlace> no, I mean like prions and such
<MerrysPlace> like mad cow disease
<BaldScribe> i wonder if they commented on the guys character as they ate him
<dpd> if a man was starving to death he would surely eat another to survive
* Miles_V does a mad-bovine on MerrysPlace :)
* BaldScribe thinks Miles_V was a string old african
<BaldScribe> it seemed that religon was almost an acident
<MerrysPlace> how come?
<Miles_V> well disease is easily communicated to other people - see the recent Marburg virus outbreak in Angola - it spread 'cos they bathed their dead and drank the water
<BaldScribe> i wish for one such story where the developing being over come the need of a deity
<BaldScribe> oh yuk!
<BaldScribe> i hope i forgtet that before dinner
<Miles_V> religion IMHO started out as a way to explain the (at the time) unexplainable - thus an event such as the humans space craft can only be understood from a supernatural point of view
<dpd> Miles_V i agree
<dpd> we see the development of religion in the book
<BaldScribe> i remember see where some scientist believe we have a "god" center in our brains
<BaldScribe> i guess a place where the meditation takes place?
<Miles_V> yet from the point of view of the 'advanced' cheela who knew that it was a space craft, they did not need a religious explanation anymore
<BaldScribe> true
<BaldScribe> i guess they did out grow it didn't they
<WaylanderD> in a second
<WaylanderD> probably
<Miles_V> any science advanced enough will appear to be magic....
<BaldScribe> Hi WaylanderD
<WaylanderD> hi baldscribe
<Miles_V> lol - yeah WaylanderD :D
<BaldScribe> i'm about half way through you story WaylanderD
<BaldScribe> i'm enjoying it
<Miles_V> will we be turning water into wine in another 1000 years?
<MerrysPlace> MV - I doubt it ... we'll probably just be floating conciousness by then lol
<BaldScribe> well it seems we have cloned ourselves
<WaylanderD> Thnx baldscribe, need help with the ending so suggestions are welcome
<WaylanderD> quoting Clarke
<BaldScribe> if you are brave WaylanderD you should submit it for review
* iceni sets mode: +l 37
* WaylanderD cringes not that brave
<BaldScribe> lol ... you can be very proud of your work
<Miles_V> in retrospect it seems Robert L Forward did indeed write a decent novel - it has really had us looking at many issues in a different light :D
<BaldScribe> it has Miles_V and i think the critics weren't looking deep enough into the work
<WaylanderD> It's got a lot of nice lines, I liked the comment on Molecular Chemistry
<WaylanderD> They are beginning to pass us in all areas except molecular chemistry. But since they don't even have molecules to experiment on, you can't blame them for that.
<Miles_V> For those of you who enjoyed 'Dragon's Egg' please read further on the cheela in 'Star Quake' the sequal
<Miles_V> and do try Forwards other books too
<BaldScribe> all in all it was another fine Miles_V suggestion ...
* Miles_V bows :) I hope that you enjoyed it
* WaylanderD applauds and thanks Miles and his BFG :)
<BaldScribe> i did very much Miles_V Thank You
<M|ami> nice job Miles
<dpd> all the books suggested by Miles_V have been excellent
<Miles_V> PS. try his book called 'Rocheworld' - also a very well written piece of HARD Sci_fi
<BaldScribe> ok ... MerrysPlace are you still going to handle the voting?
<dpd> thanks Miles_V we now look forward to another of your suggestions
<Miles_V> it was orrigionally "Flight of the Dragonfly"
<MerrysPlace> if you'd like me to I can do that :) if we get ppl voting again.
<BaldScribe> well lets try ... any suggestions out there
<WaylanderD> I've got a non-scifi suggestion: Mark Haddon's The curious incident of a dog in the nightime
* MerrysPlace suggests Fallen Angels by Larry Niven
<Miles_V> didn't we vote on a book for August allready?
<WaylanderD> It's from the view point of an autistic kid
<dpd> Fallen Angels is already nominated for next month
<BaldScribe> Nice one MerrysPlace ... i liked that one
<Miles_V> lol - I nominate MerrysPlace as moderator!
<BaldScribe> i have forgotten if we did Miles_V ... but now that you mention it
<MerrysPlace> its a fun hard scifi
<BaldScribe> something is tickling at a memory
<WaylanderD> It's the one where two people from a space station spociety crashland on earth
<WaylanderD> *society
* Miles_V provides BaldScribe with a cappuchino
<dpd> so do we vote or nominate WaylanderD book as the next one
<BaldScribe> Awwwww ... thanks Miles_V :))
<Miles_V> tell us about your book WaylanderD?
<BaldScribe> what was the book we were going to do next?
<BaldScribe> was it fallen angels?
<WaylanderD> What I liked about Haddon was the narrative-
<MerrysPlace> yeah, I think it was.
<dpd> yes
<Miles_V> yes
<BaldScribe> cool ... then we have one for next time
<dpd> WaylanderD is it a big book
<WaylanderD> small, more novella than book
<dpd> okay that makes it easier
<Miles_V> I wish to make a suggestion.....
<MerrysPlace> suggest away
<Miles_V> on how to rate a book that we have reviewed...
<BaldScribe> a rating system would be nice
<dpd> individual ratings or collective rating ?
<Miles_V> I suggest that we each rate that months book from 1 to 10 on four or five criteria and then average them to achieve a rating
<WaylanderD> If it's scifi/fantasy I go for ( originality, world building, characters)
<WaylanderD> generally in that order
<dpd> yes that is a good idea
<M|ami> time to eat...will get future book Fallen Angels info on the www tomorrow
<BaldScribe> I like that idea Miles_V
<BaldScribe> see ya M|ami
<WaylanderD> bye M|ami
<Miles_V> Characters should be one
<M|ami> again...nice job Miles. Sorry I couldn't contribute but never had time to read book.
<M|ami> :(
<BaldScribe> i would like to see us maintain a 'Suggested Reading List'
<MerrysPlace> thx M|ami, ttfn <hugs>
<Miles_V> bye M|ami!
<Miles_V> np :)
<dpd> bye M|ami
* Miles_V seriously seconds that
* WaylanderD thirds it
<Miles_V> and that list should be on our wedsite
<Miles_V> website
<BaldScribe> so many come looking for suggestions
<MerrysPlace> makes sense. but its so hard to choose just a certain number of books.
<BaldScribe> take your top ten of the moment
<Miles_V> or better yet - each OP has a list of recommeded books and a seperate list of books we all wish to see reviewed
<Miles_V> the books can reside under each ops bio
<Miles_V> who has more suggestion on the categories to rate the books on?
<BaldScribe> i think that is a great way to do it Miles_V
<dpd> characters, readability, originality
<BaldScribe> we can show each reviewers score then give the club score
<MerrysPlace> plot
<BaldScribe> yup those four
<WaylanderD> In which case (NA, 6,9,7)
<BaldScribe> same with the reading list ... if it contains a reviewed book we show the club score
<WaylanderD> my verdict
<Miles_V> yes BaldScribe
<WaylanderD> so how do you guys vote?
<Miles_V> thus : characters, readability, originality, plot
<WaylanderD> I meant individual scores
<WaylanderD> for this book
<Miles_V> the C.R.O.P. rating system :D
<MerrysPlace> lol
<WaylanderD> I like that
<BaldScribe> me too
<MerrysPlace> 3, 5, 8, 6
<MerrysPlace> we should have an overall in there too.
<Miles_V> C3/R7/O9/6
<Miles_V> C3/R7/O9/P6
<WaylanderD> naa, let's just average it- crop is too cool to throw away
<WaylanderD> cropo
<MerrysPlace> lol ok
<WaylanderD> doesn't work
<dpd> character is a difficult one here cheelas as a whole is one great character
<Miles_V> C3/R7/O9/P6 = 6.25
<BaldScribe> i thought characters were a bit weak so 3, 6, 9, 6
<dpd> 4-7-9-6
<WaylanderD> I maintain that character rating isn't applicable for this book. No one stayed on long enough
<dpd> yes so cheelas as a group make a very good character
<Miles_V> WaylanderD - there were charactets none the less - bu tthe nature of the story didn't allow for development
<Miles_V> give it a C1 or C0 then
<BaldScribe> what was your scoring WaylanderD?
<WaylanderD> but the absence didn't detract from the story
<MerrysPlace> who wants to track the rating?
<WaylanderD> (NA, 6,9,7)
<Miles_V> but in context dpd is right the cheela 'character' was very well developed
<WaylanderD> agreed, but to me that's world building rather than char development
<dpd> the way cheela has been developed in such a small book is amazing
<MerrysPlace> we could note it as a side note on the voting.
<dpd> make it character/milieu then
<Miles_V> MerrysPlace - the voting stats could be reflected in the text of the review at the end ammended to show the final rating consicely together
<Miles_V> and reflected in the list of reviewd books
<MerrysPlace> ok
<BaldScribe> sounds good
<WaylanderD> (4.33 , 6, 8.67,6.25)
<Miles_V> I further suggest that each person when rating the CROP also calculate his/her average
<Miles_V> C3/R7/O9/P6 = 6.25
<WaylanderD> overall average
<dpd> because of the poor points given to characteres 6.25 does not do justice to the book
<WaylanderD> (NA,6,9,7)= 7.33
<WaylanderD> which is why I exclude char from my crop rating for this book
<Miles_V> mmm I disagree WaylanderD - your going to skew the results
<Miles_V> if you feel character is N/A give it a 0 then
<WaylanderD> how? don't include me in the denominator for char
<BaldScribe> 3, 6, 9, 6 = 6
<Miles_V> just to recap MerrysPlace - Is Fallen Angels our next book right? What date ?
<MerrysPlace> yes ... and
<MerrysPlace> july 31st.
<Miles_V> we could make it the 24th as well
<dpd> 4,7,9,6 = 6.5
<MerrysPlace> either works
<dpd> 24th is better as the book is not too big and there is enough time to read it
<Miles_V> I nominate 24th then
<MerrysPlace> ok, 24th it is.
<BaldScribe> Club score = 6.316
<Miles_V> monthend is hectic
<BaldScribe> someone check me
<BaldScribe> we should not how many reviewers there were
<BaldScribe> in this case 5
<BaldScribe> not = note
<dpd> about the book after Fallen Angel - are we asking for submissions and votes or are we deciding like we did the last time
* Miles_V suggests we stick to Fallen Angel on 24th at 20h00 GMT
<dpd> yes but after that
<WaylanderD> about the book after, why not the half blood prince
<Miles_V> Guys & Gals - Thanks for a wonderful review today :D
* BaldScribe changes topic to 'Larry Niven's "Fallen Angels" - DD 07/24 - Discussions are held @ 20h00 GMT = 4 pm EST. Sit back, relax and chat awhile - no serving.'
<dpd> thank you Miles_V for a very very nice book
<BaldScribe> does that look right?
<Miles_V> It has been a lively chat and went down well :)
<WaylanderD> It's going to be HP fever
<BaldScribe> it was Miles_V good job!
<MerrysPlace> great job Miles_V
<AK3D> lets review HP
<AK3D> ... /me grins
<Miles_V> I will colate my suggestions on books to read and I suggest we hand them over to Miami - we need to consult with him on the detaisl
<AK3D> Nevil Shute's Pastoral..
<AK3D> now, thats something one ought to discuss
<BaldScribe> Oi ... always a trouble maker ... are you going to moderate AK3D?
<BaldScribe> I'll vote for it
<Miles_V> hehe
<AK3D> Miles_V has the honours